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所跟贴 提到美国联邦大法官Holmes,顺带聊聊他任内的名案:要不要限制智障者的生育? -- 老哈 - (1546 Byte) 2014-4-03 周四, 上午3:23 (895 reads)
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文章标题: 1.智障程度难以划线;2.是否应该包括男人;3.距1927年八十多年后西方连动物都要保护,更何况是人? (123 reads)      时间: 2014-4-03 周四, 下午5:44

作者:若迷驴鸣镇 发贴, 来自 http://www.hjclub.org

1. 智障的程度如何测定,然后在以什么为标准划线,要制定这一标准就首先是个技术难题。1927年的科学与今天的科学差距很大,尤其是医学中对人的精神心理智力等等方面的研究差距就更大。当年一定是too simple. 不信就去看看这方面是知识介绍,复杂极了。所以即使要形成法律让智障者绝育,这里的第一大难题就是该如何划线。

即使是当年的裁决也没有充分的事实依据,因为Carrie Buck被强奸后生下的女儿有旁证说她并不智障。

Vivian was adopted by the Dobbs family, who had also raised Carrie, for a time. Under the name "Vivian Alice Elaine Dobbs," she attended the Venable Public Elementary School of Charlottesville for four terms, from September 1930 until May 1932. Stephen Jay Gould wrote:

She was an [average student], neither particularly outstanding nor much troubled. In those days before grade inflation, when C meant "good, 81-87" (as defined on her report card) rather than barely scraping by, Vivian Dobbs received As and Bs for deportment and Cs for all academic subjects but mathematics (which was always difficult for her, and where she scored a D) during her first term in Grade 1A, from September 1930 to January 1931. She improved during her second term in 1B, meriting an A in deportment, C in mathematics, and B in all other academic subjects; she was on the honor roll in April 1931. Promoted to 2A, she had trouble during the fall term of 1931, failing mathematics and spelling but receiving an A in deportment, B in reading, and C in writing and English. She was "retained in 2A" for the next term -- or "left back" as was formerly said, and scarcely a sign of imbecility as I remember all my buddies who suffered a similar fate. In any case, she again did well in her final term, with B in deportment, reading, and spelling, and C in writing, English, and mathematics during her last month in school. This offspring of "lewd and immoral" women excelled in deportment and performed adequately, although not brilliantly, in her academic subjects.————wiki


2. 1927年的那份裁定有明显的性别歧视色彩,为什么不对男人颁布同样的法令?

3. 现代西方对病弱、残疾者都有明显的照顾,最显眼的标志就是超市前面的停车位。这几乎是没有人提出反对的,这可以看出一个普遍是社会共识。以此为例,智力残障者也应该包括在内。更何况,西方现在的动物保护者越来越多,那就更别说是保护人了。

再有一类例子可以明显看出文明社会对待人的生命的态度,就是处死死刑犯。现在的死囚被结束生命时都采用药物注射了,八十年前他们不也是被绞死或枪毙么?这说明,人们不愿意看到用残酷的方式夺去生命,哪怕这些人该死十次。若只是从减小社会的负担来讲,早点多点把他们灭不是更好么?可这就是政治正确也就是人权高涨带来的一系列后果。对残疾人人们的态度当然不能例外,取消他们的生育权看似能够减小社会负担,但绝大多数现代西方人不可能接受,这太违背他们的人权意识。

附带一个问题,我是从来没有看到过现在的媒体上哪里有以此为争论焦点的,可能是视野太小吧,老哈怎么会注意这么个冷门呢?

作者:若迷驴鸣镇 发贴, 来自 http://www.hjclub.org


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