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所跟贴 我说老Q老鸡,别打击大家积极性,好不好!咱中国人就嘴上行,这次老非要动真格的,你们又撤后腿 -- bjxz - (0 Byte) 2003-8-28 周四, 上午10:50 (115 reads)
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文章标题: 呵呵,我喜欢读各种案例,若有较熟悉的网友打官司,当然更是场喜闻乐见的热闹了 (219 reads)      时间: 2003-8-28 周四, 下午12:15

作者:Anonymous罕见奇谈 发贴, 来自 http://www.hjclub.org

不过,我却以为老非决无胜算的可能。他不能直接指控老看,因为缺乏过硬的证据;指控的对象也只能是博讯论坛。但正如我在楼上帖子里所说,这类官司目前根本就很难有赢的机会的。



以我陋见,许多有争议的案例实际上反映了“保护言论自由”与“保护他人不受侵犯”之间的不协调。在真实世界中,当这两者出现尖锐的冲突时,有时“言论自由”会退居第二,让位于社区的“安全”或“稳定”。极端的例子是戒严,期间人们最好老老实实地呆在家里,不要跑到大街上去乱说乱动,这时民众部分的权利被剥夺了,其中包括部分“言论自由”的权利。但在互联网上,情况就十分不同。现在很多法界专业人士达成的共识是,象 BBS、新闻组、聊天室,甚至个人网页等地,看成虚拟的海德公园比较合适,言论自由在这些地方应得到最大限度的法律保护。以网络上的诽谤问题为例子,看一看专业人士是怎么分析的:





Libel, Public Figures, and the Net

By Mike Godwin

Article for Internet World

About 2100 words

June 1994 issue





If you've ever expressed strong opinions online, the chances are you've

been flamed.



And the more fervent the flamer, the more likely it is that he or she has

said something defamatory about you--something that, if taken as a factual

statement, would tend to injure your reputation or good name.



Which leaves us to wonder: Why hasn't the Net seen more libel lawsuits? As

we all know by now, "flaming" (defined in Eric Raymond's HACKER'S

DICTIONARY as posting e-mail or public messages "intended to insult and

provoke") is an occupational hazard of net.surfers. Yet in spite of the

millions of U.S. citizens engaged in online conversations (a population

whose growth has accelerated rapidly in recent years), the number of libel

lawsuits related to online media remains in the low single digits. In a

previous INTERNET WORLD column ("Internet Libel: Is The Provider

Responsible?" Nov./Dec. 1993), I suggested that there may be a reason for

the lack of defamation suits on the Net. And explaining this phenomenon

(or, rather, absence of a phenomenon) points us in the direction of an

important aspect of libel--the definition of "public figure."



You may already know that libel law (in the United States at any rate)

distinguishes between "public figures" and private individuals. The reason

for this distinction lies in a Supreme Court case that will be three

decades old this year: New York Times Co. v. Sullivan. This case, decided

by a 9-0 vote of the Court, was the first case to attempt to integrate the

common law of libel with the First Amendment.



Libel and The New York Times



The facts of the case were straightforward: The New York Times had

published an advertisement called "Heed Their Rising Voices," which

promoted the civil-rights movement in the South, and which solicited

donations. L.B. Sullivan, who was serving as elected commissioner of the

city of Montgomery, Alabama, brought a civil libel suit against the Times

and against certain individuals who were named as sponsors of the

advertisement. Unfortunately for the Times, the advertisement contained a

number of inaccurate statements of fact about civil-rights-related

incidents in Montgomery, Alabama. The inaccuracies were not major

ones--for example, the advertisement stated that certain students had been

expelled for leading a protest on the steps of the Alabama state capitol;

although they had been leaders of that protest, they were in fact expelled

for another incident in which they had demanded service at a segregated

lunch counter at the county courthouse.



But the traditional law of libel cut little slack for small factual

errors. The trial judge instructed the jury that the statements in the ad

were libelous on their face, that falsity and "malice" (a legal term of

art, usually defined as "ill will" or "spite") on the part of the

advertisers and the Times could be presumed, and that general and

punitive damages could be awarded against each of the defendants, even in

the absence of direct proof of pecuniary loss. This last instruction was

particularly handy for local officials who had been involved in quelling

civil-rights protests, since it would have been hard for them to prove

that their reputations or businesses had been damaged--if anything, their

anti-protest efforts *improved* their reputations in their conservative

communities. The jury found the defendants liable for half a million

dollars each. (Remember that $500,000 in 1964 was "real money.")



As Anthony Lewis has documented in MAKE NO LAW, his excellent book on the

Times case, public officials had a strong incentive to resort to libel

actions against major Northern newspapers like the Times: the financial

pressure created by numerous lawsuits and large judgements would provide

newspapers with a major disincentive to do critical reporting of

civil-rights issues in the South. Which is why the Times fought the case

all the way to the Supreme Court.



In a now-famous opinion by Justice William Brennan, the Court held that

libel law, as applied by the courts of Alabama, conflicted with the First

Amendment guarantee of freedom of the press. What, then, should the

standards of libel law be? Justice Brennan first noted that "we consider

this case against the background of a profound national commitment to the

principle that debate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and

wide-open, and that it may well include vehement, caustic, and sometimes

unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials." He could

easily have been describing Usenet in 1994.



Brennan went on to write that "erroneous statement is inevitable in free

debate" (reporters and editors are only human, after all), and that

therefore libel law must accommodate a certain amount of falsehood "if the

freedoms of expression are to have the 'breathing space'" that they need

to survive. Since discussion of public officials and their work is central

to democratic debate, he reasoned, it follows that we should make special

allowances for debate about such officials. A public official can win a

libel lawsuit under the First Amendment, wrote Brennan, only if he or she

can prove "actual malice" on the part of the defendant, where proof of

"actual malice" is defined as proof that the statement was made with

"knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was

false or not." (In other words, the term "actual malice" is defined quite

differently from the older term "malice" mentioned above.)



This rule about public officials was later extended to public figures in

general--the Court recognized that sometimes news stories about highly

public individuals is central to democracy even when the individual

doesn't happen to be a public official. Ross Perot comes to mind as a

recent example of such a public figure.



But this extension of the ruling of New York Times Co. v. Sullivan led to

new problems--how can you tell whether someone's a public figure or not?

Is anyone who's been written about in the press a public figure simply

because some newspaper editor thought a story was newsworthy? If that were

so, there'd be no distinction between public figures and anyone else--the

minute your name appeared in print, you'd be a public figure, and you'd

have to prove "actual malice" (and not, say, mere negligence on the part

of the reporter) in order to win your case.



And in practical terms, proving "actual malice" can be difficult--the

courts are put in the position of inquiring into how much a reporter knew

or didn't know at the time of the story, and into the reporter's attitudes

at the time of the story. That's why libel lawsuits involving public

figures often turn on the evidence found in reporters' notebooks.



Defining public and private figures



The Supreme Court revisited the public-figure issue a number of times in

the decade after the Times case, but didn't come up with a lasting answer

to this problem until Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. (1974). Justice Powell,

writing for the majority, outlined the basic distinction between public

and private figures, and justified their different treatment in libel law.

First, the definition of public figure:



"In some instances an individual may achieve such pervasive fame or

notoriety that he becomes a public figure for all purposes and in all

contexts. More commonly, an individual voluntarily injects himself or is

drawn into a particular public controversy and thereby becomes a public

figure for a limited range of issues. In either case such person assume

special prominence in the resolution of public questions."



In short, if you're not famous, and if you haven't (in Powell's words)

"thrust [yourself] into the vortex" of public debate, you're a private

individual. And in most states private individuals bringing a defamation

lawsuit face a less rigorous standard of proof than "actual malice."



But Gertz is also an interesting case because it goes into greater depth

in explaining why it makes sense to give public figures less protection

under libel law than we give private individuals. Powell writes that the

Court has "no difficulty in distinguishing among defamation plaintiffs.

The first remedy of any victim of defamation is self-help--using available

opportunities to contradict the lie or correct the error and thereby to

minimize its adverse impact on reputation. Public officials and public

figures, he writes, usually enjoy significantly greater access to the

channels of effective communication and hence have a more realistic

opportunity to counteract false statements than private individuals

normally enjoy. Private individuals are therefore more vulnerable to

injury, and the state interest in protecting them is correspondingly

greater."



Under the First Amendment, in other words, the *preferred* response to a

defamation problem is to fix it yourself. But since private individuals

normally don't have the kind of access to mass media it takes to correct

the record, the First Amendment allows the states to use libel law to

level the playing field, making it easier for private individuals to

counter the damage that can be done to their reputations by mass media.



These two factors--the definition of "public figure" and the rationale for

treating public figures differently--play out in unique ways on the Net.

First of all, far more people on Usenet and CompuServe (to take two

examples) can be said to "thrust themselves into the vortex" of public

debate. If online conferencing means anything, it means the fostering of

outspokenness--in effect, every opinionated individual has a microphone

and an audience, and regular participants in online discussions may even

became generally famous in their "virtual communities." It's almost

trivially easy to become a public figure on the Net.



Secondly, the comparative openness of access to the Net means that a lot

more people who feel they've had their reputations besmirched have access

to self-help. If some bozo writes 100 lines of false statement and

innuendo about your sex life or personal habits, you can write 500 lines

of point-by-point refutation.



These factors may make libel law increasingly irrelevant, at least as far

as online conferencing is concerned. It's worth remembering that

relatively few people ever actually sue for libel. For one thing, it's

expensive, which means you either have to be rich, or you have to have

such a convincing case that you can persuade a lawyer to take your case on

a contingency-fee basis. For another, the long, drawn-out process of suing

someone for damage to your reputation is almost always wearying and very

rarely satisfying. (For an excellent discussion of the practical aspects

and disincentives of libel lawsuits in the post-New York Times era, see

L.A. Powe's recent book, THE FOURTH ESTATE AND THE CONSTITUTION.)



On the Net, in contrast, calling your defamer to account is comparatively

easy--quite probably, if your message was online in some topical area,

such as a mailing list or Usenet Newsgroup, so were the corresponding

flames. And while few flame wars ever end in a clear win for one side or

the other, there's still the deep satisfaction that comes of knowing

you're in the right, and that you've responded to every false statement

anyone has made about you. It's a "day in court" that you can have over

and over again, and it normally comes cheap. (This assumes you're not

stealing time from work to answer your critics.)



So, I'm going to stick my neck out and make a prediction: in spite of the

fierce invective, strong feelings, and often-defamatory statements one

tends to see in net.arguments, I predict that libel lawsuits will never be

a significant factor when it comes to heated online discussions. It's far

easier to hit the "reply" key.



--------

Mike Godwin ([email protected]) is online counsel for the Electronic

Frontier Foundation, where he advises users of electronic networks about

their legal rights and responsibilities, and instructs criminal lawyers,

law-enforcement personnel, and others about computer civil-liberties

issues.



For info on EFF mailing lists, newsgroups & archives, mail [email protected]. To

browse EFF's archives, use FTP, gopher, or WAIS to connect to ftp.eff.org,

gopher.eff.org, or wais.eff.org respectively. Look in /pub/EFF. To get

basic EFF info send a message to [email protected]. Send detailed queries to

[email protected]. For membership information, mail [email protected].







作者:Anonymous罕见奇谈 发贴, 来自 http://www.hjclub.org
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